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seekerpat rated 3 months ago- This is an important article! Its our responsibility as citizens to make informed decisions when voting. Not ones based on charisma, or gender or race or moon sign. And with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the current administration, remember what the great H.L. Mencken said: "In a democracy the people get the government they deserve". We deserve the best. Engage yourself! Sapere aude!
- rodneyj43 rated 3 months ago
- Ahh yes, the *exit* strategy question. It was an easy fight to pick (Propagandistic Rhetoric: Saddam=Hitler and he's building nuclear and chemical weapons) but not to walk away from. Perhaps simply leaving *is* the best thing to, or did we learn nothing from Vietnam (with the exception of "if we don't draft, we can keep the public at least blasé about it for a longer while")? War is sometimes necessary (Hitler needed to be taken out, no question) but it is an all or nothing affair. i.e. commence the draft, switch to a wartime economy, completely overwhelm and out-supply any enemy, or don't bother going in at all. Viet Nam ended when we pulled out and in spite of all the calls for more troops and time, it was never enough, so we ended up just folding the tent. The same should be done here; we must admit our mistake (and make sure nothing like it happens again) and just leave and let the chips fall where they may as there is no way to unilaterally control the situation. But all you war aficionados need not worry; a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel is inevitable, the security council will vote for a UN force (that includes USA, EU, China and Russia) to stabilize the area. But that will be an all-or-nothing affair and it will come upon the heels of global economic collapse, similarly to WWII. We will be going back in, along with the rest of the world, but it will be for the right reasons. In the wake of this conflict (essentially WWIII, sorry, but it's inevitable) the UN/WTO/world court will emerge as the defacto global government and global trade will become heavily regulated free-trade (that's not an oxymoron, that is what we currently have for US inter-state trade). But right now we need to leave as we are perceived as hording resources in the eyes of the rest of the world. What will they really do about Iraq? From the page: "April 17, 2008 | WASHINGTON -- Last week President Bush put to rest any question about whether he will hand over the full weight of the Iraq debacle to his successor. By late summer, he said, the number of troops in Iraq will be reduced to pre-surge levels. But after that, the withdrawals will stop. Bush said that Gen. David Petraeus, the commander there, will have "all the time he needs" to figure out if more soldiers should be pulled out. Bush's obduracy on the future of Iraq underscores the political stakes of the war heading toward the November election. As Republican Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee put it during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Iraq last Tuesday, "I think people want a sense of what the end is going to look like." As they've campaigned for president, John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have staked out their positions on the war. But remarkably, even this far into the campaign their plans have largely escaped close scrutiny by the press. ... In private conversations, all agreed that a political solution among Iraq's bitterly divided sects was the only road to some version of success in that country. And all agreed that certain outcomes, such as a regional war, would be unacceptable from the standpoint of U.S. interests in the crucial oil-rich area. But even in off-the-record conversations, it was difficult to nail down what the three candidates consider to be an acceptable, and attainable, end state in Iraq. And there is little evidence that the broader plans and tactics espoused by the candidates would result in such an outcome. Options in Iraq are now limited to a set of bad choices. Even if the next president navigates skillfully, Iraq could still collapse into chaos, drawing its neighbors into a bloody regional conflict costing countless lives and wreaking havoc on the world economy. The gloomy situation is an undeniable legacy of the Bush administration. "
