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 statoun rated 23 months ago - From the page: "Some have portrayed persecution and hatred of gays as a Christian thing to do. We can find nowhere that Jesus said anything about homosexuality. Nor did Jesus ever suggest encoding Christian teachings into a Sharia-like law to force religious beliefs on society."
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- eric rated 23 months ago
- Go Quakers!
 step314 rated 23 months ago- "The proposed constitutional amendment really has nothing to do with marriage; it is a thinly veiled attack on gays and lesbians, part of a pattern of discrimination and institutionalized hatred."
Nonsense. The evangelical religious right unfortunately doesn't care much about sodomy, or else they would be pushing for a constitutional amendment to outlaw sodomy or to allow the states to make their own sodomy laws as was taken away by arrant judicial activism. What the evangelical right does want to do is to make marriage seem opposite to sodomy, not because they want to belittle sodomy, but because they want to belittle free love by making it seem akin to sodomy. The male homosexuals and the evangelical fundamentalists have the same goal about how they want to confuse people. Both groups want people to see the innocent sexual pleasure of free love in the same light as sodomy, the former group to take credit away from innocent sexual pleasure, the latter group to give credit to sodomy. That's the way it typically works--whenever an unselfish behavior that is appropriate (at times) resembles a unselfish behavior that is stupid, evil people (those who need to justify their selfishness and those who need to encourage others to be stupidly unselfish) will be united in encouraging the conflation of the behaviors notwithstanding their avowed outlooks are opposite. This is mainly why discrimination is such an extremely important moral faculty and why questions are more important than answers--the immoral extremes both tend to want to ask the same wrong questions (questions encouraging wrong conflations) notwithstanding their answers to them are different, and it is where evil is united that it is most dangerous and powerful.
The right legal question is not whether it should be illegal for gays to marry (the question evangelical fundamentalists and sodomites in their wicked alliance want you to consider), the right legal question is whether sodomy should be illegal.
The main usefulness of religion is to insecure people too unsure of themseleves to think for themselves sufficiently to not value tradition. A church should be traditional about depravity like nothing else because a sense of having fallen victim to depravity is largely what drives people to feel unsure of themselves and seek answers from religion rather than from moral philosophy. A "church" group like this Quaker one that takes a very untraditional view of depravity offers nothing that straight moral philosophy doesn't offer better. Church groups like this I am inclined to think are just places for wicked people to hide their depravities with pseudo-tradition by way of pandering or of corrupting the most easily victimized.
- statoun rated 23 months ago
- From the page: "Some have portrayed persecution and hatred of gays as a Christian thing to do. We can find nowhere that Jesus said anything about homosexuality. Nor did Jesus ever suggest encoding Christian teachings into a Sharia-like law to force religious beliefs on society."
I'm immensely proud of my Quaker ancestry. First to oppose slavery, first to treat women as equals to men spiritually and in every other way. And even before that, they formed the basis for modern free markets by instituting fixed prices at their stores. They didn't think it was fair that people should pay different prices for the same goods. At first boycotted for their religious 'heresy' they later became successful business people because folks could send even the smallest child into their shops without fear of their being cheated.
They don't proseltize, trusting that the example of a good life is a better draw than a hell-threatening harangue.
- kh7 rated 24 months ago
- From the page: "On November%u2019s ballot, Wisconsin will vote on a constitutional ban on same-gender marriages. We of Religious Society of Friends believe the movement to isolate and scapegoat homosexuals, to promote hatred against them, and to impose in law one group%u2019s religious beliefs on us all, is blatantly immoral and contrary to Jesus%u2019 teachings."
Glad to hear they're speaking out.
- BrightKnight rated 24 months ago
- "Quaker statement on gay marriage On November's ballot, Wisconsin will vote on a constitutional ban on same-gender marriages. We of Religious Society of Friends believe the movement to isolate and scapegoat homosexuals, to promote hatred against them, and to impose in law one group's religious beliefs on us all, is blatantly immoral and contrary to Jesus' teachings. With half of marriages ending in divorce, unquestionably the right thing to do is to strengthen marriages. But diverting the question to whether two people of the same sex can have legal rights together completely loses track of the problem of frail marriages." So not all Yankistani xians are gun-touting hatemongering fascist morons. I'm never too old to learn.
- dumolebrad rated 24 months ago
- From the page: "The proposed constitutional amendment really has nothing to do with marriage; it is a thinly veiled attack on gays and lesbians, part of a pattern of discrimination and institutionalized hatred. It is a strategy of power practiced by would-be tyrants throughout history."
- Heggs rated 24 months ago
- I love Quakers.
"Some have portrayed persecution and hatred of gays as a Christian thing to do. We can find nowhere that Jesus said anything about homosexuality. Nor did Jesus ever suggest encoding Christian teachings into a Sharia-like law to force religious beliefs on society."
- oneeyedhobbit rated 24 months ago
- Way to go Quakers.
- Thar rated 24 months ago
- From the page: "On November's ballot, Wisconsin will vote on a constitutional ban on same-gender marriages. We of Religious Society of Friends believe the movement to isolate and scapegoat homosexuals, to promote hatred against them, and to impose in law one group's religious beliefs on us all, is blatantly immoral and contrary to Jesus' teachings. With half of marriages ending in divorce, unquestionably the right thing to do is to strengthen marriages. But diverting the question to whether two people of the same sex can have legal rights together completely loses track of the problem of frail marriages.
The proposed constitutional amendment really has nothing to do with marriage; it is a thinly veiled attack on gays and lesbians, part of a pattern of discrimination and institutionalized hatred. It is a strategy of power practiced by would-be tyrants throughout history. Some have portrayed persecution and hatred of gays as a Christian thing to do. We can find nowhere that Jesus said anything about homosexuality. Nor did Jesus ever suggest encoding Christian teachings into a Sharia-like law to force religious beliefs on society."
- TOMTHUMB rated 24 months ago
- Quaker take on Gay Marriage "amendment"
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