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Tracer-Bullet rated 4 months ago- Really? A huuuge page of Courier New? I'm not reading this.
- bb1984 rated 4 months ago
- @FireFromTheGods/Mcapplbee The critics here seems to base their assumptions on preprogrammed software, which i agree is impossible. We cannot program a brain from scratch. However, the idea is to make software that manages to develop itself through try and fail(evolution) in an immensely advanced, possibly biological computer. How can anybody say that artificial consciousness will always be impossible based on limitations in today's technology? Sounds like the guy in the us patent office who said in late 19th century that technology had reached its climax. Dare to dream!
- gank3r rated 4 months ago
- Not gonna lie, seemed a bit too tl;dr and "wall of fucking text"-y for me. I'll read it later?
- FireFromTheGods rated 5 months ago
- This author is quite naive to the way computers work and he or she makes it very obvious. I admire the interest in psychology and applying it to mathematics but it just doesn't work (aside from all the contradictions made which would take pages to point out and explain). Where I lose a little respect is when the author begins putting down mathmeticians and thus, computer programmers when it's a world he or she just doesn't seem to understand.
Yes, I'm about to take this a little further then I should for it being just a stupid stumble article. I have a passion for computers and electronics as well as psychology! This obviously peaks my interest incredibly and there just happens to be far too many people who do not understand how many things are wrong with this article.
Computers can not and will not ever be able to think for themselves. Point in case: an electronic signal is there, or it is not. As stated earlier the simplest form is "the light is either on, or it is not." A computer works this way on a scale of billions of signals and processes. Nothing influences this fact other then a creative human being or a force of science. Science does NOT think for itself, otherwise we would not have proven theories or textbooks because it would be changing constantly from it's own "creative thought" (again, which does not exist). These billions of signals can easily create an illusion that a computer has some form of personality, but it can be deconstructed down to simple bits and bytes which a human brain absolutely cannot. A human brain changes, grows, and when deconstructed turns to a level that is so complicated that no numbers can ever calculate before disproving the existence of God himself or the entire reason of life. With this, I explain a basic computer operation
ON/OFF and 1/0 signals of a computer cannot ever incorporate reasoning. It's either ON(1), or 0FF(0) because the programmer said so. Brain signals do NOT work this way. The most basic level of science from what we as humans know is that because of gene chemistry, balance of substances in the brain, how a person was raised, etc. are what influences our thoughts and creative, self aware, rational (or irrational!) minds.. It then can become an aspect of religion and beliefs that influence a human minds creativity, and if you dare to bring the concept of electronics into that world, you obviously have NO idea how computers work.
Computers that think for themselves is a statement that doesn't make any damn sense! Anything a computer does is COMPLETELY due to the intent, or in some cases error, of the programmer. It is merely electronics signals performing pre programmed calculations. If it ever SEEMS as if a computer is making it's own decisions, it is simply an illusion created by random numbers from a program written by an intelligent human being
The author of this is obviously fooled by that illusion. I could probably make a program with an animated face that can respond to simple commands such as "hello" and "how are you" and this guy would think "HOLY CRAP IT'S ALIIIIIVE!!!" - This author is quite naive to the way computers work and he or she makes it very obvious. I admire the interest in psychology and applying it to mathematics but it just doesn't work (aside from all the contradictions made which would take pages to point out and explain). Where I lose a little respect is when the author begins putting down mathmeticians and thus, computer programmers when it's a world he or she just doesn't seem to understand.
- YearoftheRat rated 6 months ago
- mcapplbee is right. We still don't know how our brains work, so how can we ever hope to mimic such a complex organ? (And synapses ARE NOT the same thing as binary logic. While a computer can only operate Binary at its most basic level, we're talking about neurochemistry and multiple types of charges on the quantum level. At the very least, that's the equivalent of comparing a byte of binary to strings of hex code)
- Fimbulvntr rated 6 months ago
- Gee Mr. mcapplbee, really? But the human mind also works with binary logic, because neurones work by sending impulses, which are nothing more than ON/OFF (or 1 or 0). Brains are computers too. Your "logic" fails. Programming languages evolve with time too... a few years ago you couldn't even properly create a loop structure, not to mention a function. Don't say something is impossible, you don't know.
- mcapplbee rated 10 months ago
- Definitely did not like this article. It is impossible. It will never happen. Computers can't reason. If you've programmed for a MINUTE you would understand. Break it down to machine code. This is a computer's thought: 10100 ON OFF ON OFF OFF YES NO YES NO NO That is binary logic. Yes or no. There is no reasoning. That is how a computer works, that is how a light switch works.
- hfvuong rated 10 months ago
- retro minsky article.
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