Website review: Are Plug-in Hybrids Eco-friendly Gr...
dAiSy85 discovered this in Environment
•3 reviews since Apr 12, 2008
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dAiSy85 discovered 3 months ago- I think this is very well put and I whole heartedly agree, but being skeptical and challenging accepted ideas are important. The prob is I see a lot of people on the net spewing out ideas based on pseudo-science and misinformation. Case in point, the fact that the coal industry is telling everyone they are "Green"! Bottom line, I think we are going in the right direction and it's great that people are so passionate about our environment.
- Phil-m94 rated 3 months ago
- *EDIT: greenUPGRADER - see me in IM* I don't actually think this website understands the topic they are discussing. Their conclusion is right, yet based on dross. These vehicles are more CO2 friendly and one major reason is that not all electric on 'the grid' is produced by fossil fuels. Take Finland for example, where virtually ALL their electric comes from renewable sources. If this car was only as efficient as a regular "gas" car, then that would still be an enormous saving. This blog (and many like it) draw their conclusions based on an American way of seeing things, that most energy comes from burning fossil fuels. Don't make assumptions based on the current system, that's simplistic and borders on moronic. Instead, try to realise a system where it *can* work, and strive for that change. The kind of change needed is *not* the feel-good 'hey look our car doesn't make fumes' - but is rather "Our vehicle is powered by electric sourced from clean, renewable energy sources."
- greenUPGRADER rated 3 months ago
- Hello Phil, I understand the topic just fine and wonder whether you read the whole article. I agree with you, we need to be striving for cleaner technologies across all sectors, however, the point of the article is that regardless of whether or not they are perfect, at current greenhouse gas (GHG) emission levels in the US, plug-in cars produce MUCH LESS GHG than "regluar gas" cars, and less than HEVs. I agree that we would be better off with cleaner energy sources like wind, and should strive for that, but this is an analysis of the current state of things in the US so that means looking at these technologies within the context of a system that is currently dominated by fossil fuels. BTW, I did not get into other countries because the data from study from the Carnegie Mellon University is based on US GHG levels. I fundamentally disagree with your assertion that "The kind of change needed is *not* the feel-good 'hey look our car doesn't make fumes' - but is rather "Our vehicle is powered by electric sourced from clean, renewable energy sources." So your saying until we have renewable electricity we should not be utilizing plug in electric hybrids? Even though they still represent a huge reduction of carbon emissions over conventional cars, we should wait until our whole power grid is renewable? I don't think so. We need both kinds of changes. The point of all this is that we need to make long term goals and strive for them, but we still need to be making positive steps everyday even though the circumstance may not be perfect.
