My browser is currently telling me "This page has some issues."
My browser is currently telling me "This page has some issues."
It could be that there is something true in this idea, but frankly, I doubt it. People that tend to be depressed also tend to look for reasons that make them unhappy, to see the bad side of everything. Not only to reasonably look for a solution, but dig yourself in a hole of unhappiness. Meaning, if we assume that mildly depressed people see reality better than other people, we should be living in a really bad world. Call me a naive optimist if you wish, but this way of thinking is everything but healthy.
Interesting idea, makes sense.
Touche, Robert Ringer's book, "Looking Out For Number #1," covers this same idea about positive thinking, summed up in a paragraph in the book. Very true, though a lot of 'optimists' would label this as negative thinking. The 'illusory, optimists, positive thinking' is somewhat on the same thought vein as being happy without not knowing why. It smacks of naivete.
It is interesting, though I very much disagree with it for depression does not equate with pessimism or even sadness. A person can have a positive view while still being very very depressed. In fact it might be their positive outlook that is the only thing that makes living with their depression bearable.
TheRareZilla said "I think sometimes depression comes with hyper-awareness of reality and more of a propensity for deeper analysis of situations in life. On the other hand (and this is from personal experience) it also just skews things. One of the worst things about depression is the cognitive distortion aspects, a lot of things seem like foregone conclusions when they're not." and she's absolutely right there. Depression is an illness. It makes you believe that everything is hopeless, that nobody loves you no matter what they do, that everything is completely horrible and you can't think about anything else. You don't necessarily think at all when you're depressed. It doesn't produce this state of brilliance everybody likes to associate with it, but rather a dark heaviness (I do actually mean physical heaviness) that leaves you too exhausted to remember how to spell your name much less ponder reality in any practical manner.
I think people who are prone to depression are also more prone to introspection (and maybe if they understand themselves better it gives them a better understanding of life) but the depressive state is not causing the analysis.
FTP: "Depressive realism is the proposition that people with depression actually have a more accurate perception of reality, specifically that they are less affected by positive illusions of illusory superiority, the illusion of control and optimism bias. The concept refers to people with borderline or moderate depression, suggesting that while non-depressed people see things in an overly positive light and severely depressed people see things in overly negative light, the mildly discontented grey area in between in fact reflects the most accurate perception of reality."
if i think this must be true... does that make me mildly depressed? depressive realism says that those with mild depression see the world more accurately than those who are optimitsic
I'm just realistic...
Look, recognizing the vast misery in the world is rational, but being depressed because of that is not rational. The data suggests not that depressed people have a more accurate view of reality, but that they are often free from inflatedly optimistic errors. They are prone, however, to inflatedly pessimistic errors. Depression might be a higher-level cognitive disorder, it might be a chemical imbalance, but whatever it is, it is an ILLNESS, not a proper view of reality.
Not sure I agree with this idea either. I can see the basic suggestion of it, and at first it rings pretty true. I think sometimes depression comes with hyper-awareness of reality and more of a propensity for deeper analysis of situations in life. On the other hand (and this is from personal experience) it also just skews things. One of the worst things about depression is the cognitive distortion aspects, a lot of things seem like foregone conclusions when they're not. Really though, I suppose non-depression can lead to cognitive distortions of a different kind?
Not to mention reality itself is one of the most subjective things in the human experience anyway :D
don't tell me that. i don't need another reason to try to throw away these pills and hate happy people.
I hate to break it to the depressed people, most of whom I know to have a 'more realistic' view of life, are often the ones who, too, are limited by the very same convictions that affect their delusional counterparts. (and aside from this convergence, I am not sure how well this dichotomy explains or help explain individual assessment of the external world)
This limited and immutable idea of a fixed reality governs what can be done about it and inadvertently describes the 'ought principle' in the following maxim: 'sit and be depressed about it'. So, the Depressed Realist, very much like the Deluded Content, is confined by the limitations of -given- realities and illusions; the Delusional is beset by the reality of illusions, the Depressed by the illusions of reality. Then, it is a question of 'givens'-- if it is the same hand that provides for all, wouldn't it provide for all with the same logic?
The question, of course, is one of self-determination, and self-determination alone. If there is too much emphasis on one's own merits and possibility of changing one's own condition -solely- by the merits one has, then the illusions and realities all become an issue of one's own device. However, this is certainly not true, systems do exist, minds which are born into systems follow them, not the other way around.
In our current system (capitalism), the depressed can recognize the limitations of current situations by the standards of the current situation as understood from the continuation of the current situation as evolved for its effective continuation; limited to the individual scope of themselves and themselves alone through the moral, legal, practical, theoretical boundaries which are often the byproducts of the ''well-memorized'' here and now.
And if that is called reality, we are talking about mere vulgar empirical reality, one that is the by-product of one's own senses and awareness, however, the depressed should also be knowledgeable enough to distrust his-her own senses, since history of science taught us many valid and working theories are counter-intuitive, and pure rationality can often be lost in false and fallible measures and units of measurement.